Sister Sh*t
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Sister Sh*t
The Secret Lives of Research Primates
What really happens on an island full of research monkeys? Caroline and Meredith dig into the strange story of Morgan Island, a 4,489-acre spot off the South Carolina coast that’s home to more than 1,400 rhesus macaques. Relocated from Puerto Rico in 1979 during a herpes virus outbreak, the colony’s history reveals a complicated partnership between government agencies and research facilities that still sparks curiosity today.
From there, the sisters tumble down a conspiracy rabbit hole. They unpack internet legends like the claim that Finland is a made-up country, the bizarre “Katy Perry is JonBenét Ramsey” theory, and the enduring mysteries of Denver Airport—murals, tunnels, Masonic symbols, and the infamous red-eyed “Bluecifer” statue that actually killed its creator.
Along the way, they mix personal stories, sisterly banter, and a healthy dose of skepticism—while also plotting their own conspiracy about underground monkey bunkers.
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Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Sister Shit. I'm Caroline, I'm Merida, and today we are giving you what you've been waiting for since the Mudang episode. That you probably haven't actually been waiting for, but I'm going to fill y'all in on some.
Speaker 1:Morgan.
Speaker 2:Island. Monkey Island content. Okay, do you have anything you want to talk about before we get into it? Anything that's happened this week? No, I know How's your week been. I don't want to talk about that. Oh, that's been bad. This tells you anything. Today I my closet lights were dim and I got dressed in them and I like got to work and went to the bathroom because I spilled coffee all over my shirt. So I went to the bathroom to clean my shirt and my shirt's completely see-through.
Speaker 2:Oh, Like you went to the bathroom at your workplace.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh Were you wearing a bra.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not a cute one. Uh-oh yeah. Oh well, I know, but it's going fine. How was your week? It's been good. We got a puppy. How's your week? It's been good. We got a puppy. She's push. Her name is Penny Penny Well, it's spelled Penny like Penny Pasta, because she's like a noodle shape and we have all food names in our house. So we're currently sitting here with Macaroni, yes, and Banana Puddin' yes, macaroni's a kitty cat.
Speaker 1:She's very pissed about the puppy she's trying to find the dog.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so we got a puppy. I don't know, I don't even know what happened this past week. You're about to go to Italy.
Speaker 1:I'm going to.
Speaker 2:Italy a week from well when this comes out, it'll be.
Speaker 1:You'll be going in like five days.
Speaker 2:So I've been prepping for that. I hired a studio manager, which has been life-changing for my art business. It's been going good. That's great.
Speaker 1:It's been busy yeah. I have nothing exciting to report.
Speaker 2:We went to Cocktail Club yesterday yes, that was fun, it was fun. We went to cocktail club yesterday yes, that was fun, it was fun. We go once a month and the whole idea is that the host rotates and the person that's hosting does not have to be in charge of anything except for the accoutrements of whatever cocktail we're featuring.
Speaker 1:But then guests bring their own liquor and their own glass sometimes and a snack.
Speaker 2:It's so fun. We've learned how to make so many different drinks. We did what's been your favorite so far. I I don't know. This might have been my favorite, but I was also just surprised because what, what was it? The pina colada? No a, classic daiquiri classic daiquiri is so delicious it is delicious. That might have been my favorite. It's like nothing but lemon juice fresh lemon juice, and rum and simple syrup, and it is delicious. I also liked the last word, which one was that. The one that we had at Neil and Louisa's.
Speaker 1:Oh, with the chartreuse yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't remember if I liked that one or not. It's like vodka and chartreuse, I think yeah I felt fine about that one. I kind of forgot about it. We've done pims cups. We've done martinis. We've done it's very fun. Uh, old fashions, we've done a lot.
Speaker 1:We did espresso martinis, those were delicious yeah. Yeah, it's very fun, it is very fun.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, do you want to get into this week's episode? Yeah, so we're talking. We're going to start off. I'm going to tell you a little bit about Morgan Island, because we grew up next to it our entire lives and never knew what it was, and if? You missed our first episode of this season. This is the island that the monkeys escaped from. Well, it's tied to the research center in the Lowcountry that the monkeys escaped from. That made national news, yes, and we gave some false information.
Speaker 2:And we're here to correct ourselves, which is a privilege, because we never correct ourselves, I know. But we had someone at Cocktail Club ask like, okay, I want the update on Morgan Island. So here, we are here.
Speaker 2:It is Neil. Okay, so in this part I didn't know, I didn't know a lot of this. To be honest, I know nothing. Okay, well, it's kind of interesting. Okay, okay, well, it's kind of interesting. In 1979 and 1980, they sent over 1,400 rhesus macaques, which is the type of monkey from Puerto Rico Okay, they had a primate research center there and they were all sent to Morgan Island to escape herpes simplex B virus. Oh my gosh, like a genital monkey herpes situation In Puerto Rico, yes, on a like research island.
Speaker 2:So they were like hmm, let's go to Beaufort, South Carolina, and relocate these herpes monkeys. They had herpes or they were escaping. They were escaping the herpes. I don't have many more details about the herpes.
Speaker 1:I just know that. That's how we ended up with them in the 80s.
Speaker 2:These were the monkeys that couldn't get laid. Okay, so SCDNR owns the island. Okay, but the monkey colony itself is under the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they're like doing biomedical research on these monkeys, so it's like owned by federal.
Speaker 2:The island is owned by SCDNR, by the state, by the state. The monkeys are owned by A national thing, the, yes, okay, are there still 1,400.? Like, how many are there now? I don't know. To be honest, I should look that up. I think probably still tons. You can see them from the trees and the island is huge. The island is 4,489 acres oh yeah, I had no idea With roughly 635 acres of maritime forest, which is the habitat for the monkeys. Okay, so a lot of it's probably marsh.
Speaker 1:So we're getting into the nitty-gritty, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is where the Yemesee facility comes into play. Okay, in Yemesee, which is adjacent to Beaufort, is the Alpha Genesis Primate Research Center. Doesn't that just sound like some Jurassic Park?
Speaker 1:shit, yeah, it does or like. Planet of the Apes. The beginning of a bad movie, yeah yeah, yeah. I'm like Alpha.
Speaker 2:Genesis Alpha, genesis Primate Research Center. There's some sketchy. You know who comes to mind with that name Is that creepy ass scientist on Beethoven. He's working at Alpha Genesis. Do you remember that movie? No, you don't.
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:That just like, brought back a deep memory. That man scared the living daylights out of me.
Speaker 1:I need to look him up now, but he's working at Alpha Genesis.
Speaker 2:How scary is he on a scale of One to Rasputin? I was going to say one to Rasputin. Well, he's real. He's a real life person, not a cartoon. But Rasputin's also scary as a person too. He was probably like a six to seven. Okay, I'm going to look him up, yeah, okay. So what is the Alpha Genesis Primate Research Center, do you may ask Mm-hmm Breeds and supplies various non-human primates. What is a non-human primate?
Speaker 1:What is a non-human?
Speaker 2:primate, I guess. Are we primates? I don't know. Science girlies, I think we're primates. Yeah, okay, so the non-human ones, specifically rhesus macaques and some other types of macaques that I don't quite understand. So at Yamaseki, they're just breeding Well, and biomedical research and doing research. So what are they doing at Morgan Island? Living Just hanging out, literally. So in 2023, alpha Genesis Primate Research Center secured a federal contract to manage the colony on Morgan Island, which also feels sketchy. I'm like what do you want with these monkeys? Why are you trying to expand your monkey territory? Do you think they just wanted a more natural habitat? No, there's still monkeys in the Yemesee place. They're just managing the island monkeys. To me, it feels like oh, do you guys need some extra hands?
Speaker 1:It feels like a lot of monkeys?
Speaker 2:It feels like a lot of monkeys. Maybe they're getting paid big bucks to help, but I don't know. Wait, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Do you need an extra hand? Because Alpha Genesis asked Morgan Island or like, went to Morgan Island and were like let's get a contract so that we can manage your colony on your island for SCDNR or for the NIH, whatever, Not NIH? What is it called? I have no idea.
Speaker 2:N-I-A-I-D. Okay. So are you lost? I'm a little lost, but it's okay. Okay, I've got my whole life without this information and it's going to be okay if I don't have it. Okay, yeah, okay. So in 2024, november of 2024, 43 young female rhesus macaques escaped from the Alpha Genesis Center. This is what made national news. Yes, after a door was inadvertently left, unsecured authorities then it was a monkey left. Unsecured Authorities then baited traps and thermal cameras to safely recapture all of them by January of 2020.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I want to know what were they doing all that time? Probably plotting to take over the world. They probably built a whole bunker and like bred really quickly.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's the gestational period for a monkey I want to say it's probably the same as a human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, wow, that's all I got. I mean, honestly, we know a lot more, but we still don't know a lot. I know it feels very secretive. Yes, yes, okay, so, because we're going to be talking about and like you didn't say what kind of research they're doing. Well, it's allergy, it's like biomedical research. So like allergy. And, oh my God, what did it say? Cancer? I always thought it was cancer. No, cancer is the. Oh the horseshoe crabs.
Speaker 2:The river that we live on also does. They collect and return horseshoe crabs from and to the river every season and they get their blood for cancer research. Right, I get the horseshoe crabs and the monkeys mixed up. I know we just were around so much science and we just did not Nature and science take it in. Nope, okay, so I was going to say to get into our episode where we're going to talk about different conspiracies, what is your conspiracy about? Morgan Island? Oh, oh, I already basically said mine.
Speaker 2:That they're all communicating and there's an underground.
Speaker 2:Like the monkeys are going to rise up. I don't know it will rise up. They will rise up solely to perform that For us, to show us that they're smarter than us. Yeah, I think they're doing what they say they're doing, but I don't think we would like the way they're doing it, and that's why I think there's lots of Question marks. There's not a lot of detail. Yeah, you know, it's like animal research. Mm-hmm, it's not pretty, probably. Yeah, I know, and it just feels bizarre that it's like monkeys. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think they should be reunited with their ancestors. Aren't they typically doing this type of stuff on rats?
Speaker 2:I know it does feel bizarre, which is also kind of sad because rats are smart, right, yeah, but there's so many of them. They just like go to New York and catch a couple to help them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I do want to. I do feel like these monkeys have a lot of family in Puerto Rico that they should be like, reunited with maybe.
Speaker 1:Not if their herpes is still rampant.
Speaker 2:I wonder if a herpes case has ever broken out on Morgan Island. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just feel like they don't have a cure. You know what they should be researching A cure for herpes. That feels like the perfect segue. That did feel like a really natural transition for those monkeys and then they wouldn't have herpes anymore.
Speaker 1:And it would be helping them, it would be helping them and us, because they wouldn't have herpes, not us, but you know, people, humans, humans.
Speaker 2:If there's any shame in having herpes, it's very common. Okay, I just need to lay that out there. Okay, so that goes into. We want to talk about weird conspiracies tonight and not like your everyday conspiracy that people are like up in arms about yeah we're not getting into. We're not getting into it, like our or not. What's his name? Being still alive? Kennedy, kennedy still being alive. Politicians being lizard people we're skipping all of that, yeah, and we're going straight for the good stuff. Yes, I.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go first, I think yours is better than mine I have. I went through like a couple that I. There's a couple that I won't get into, but I want to know if you heard of them. Okay, right now, well, you can go first. Okay, I a few, probably a year ago now, I came across people on TikTok talking about how they don't think Helen Keller was actually blind and deaf, okay, and mute, okay, and I didn't go into it far enough. I was just like that's weird, why are people saying this? So I did a little research for tonight. That is a new conspiracy. It is. It originated on tiktok and basically the whole thing is no one else with those disabilities has been able to accomplish the same amount of like the volume of work that she has been able to accomplish, and even within today with all the new technology.
Speaker 2:So everyone's doubting her ability Interesting. But what I've discovered through my research it took very little time is that it's basically just people that are under the age of 25. And it started on TikTok and it's like so quick to disprove because there are literal records and books and like she's went to Harvard, like the Blind Deaf Institute Is that what it's called? There's just like so much accreditation about this woman and it very just sadly comes down to ableism like people can't fathom that someone is capable of doing these things, and it's like my takeaway from all of it was basically like okay, no one else has been able to accomplish what she's accomplished.
Speaker 2:That's why we're still talking about her because it was incredible, yeah, what she was able to do with her life. Yeah, so I think it just comes down to. And then, like the, the people that were writing about this conspiracy were basically saying, like gen z is so steeped in the irony of it all, like in, just in, on the internet in general, like they're just so well acquainted with like something being like I don't know what's, what do you call it? Oh, my gosh, my I'm brain. I'm like when satire.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So they're saying like do people actually believe this? Are people just jumping on this trend?
Speaker 1:and they like it's just, it's all, which is a waste of time like am I guys?
Speaker 2:let's not, I don't know, yeah. So anyway, I was really excited to look into that because I thought it was so insane. And it just turns out it's people who, like, don't trust history books. I mean, it happens a lot, which, I guess is all conspiracies. I mean conspiracies come from any lack of trust.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which like, not all conspiracies are bad. We should question things. I know, yes, okay, you know what also came up that people don't believe that someone with disability was able to do something, because it's probably it's like along the same lines as the people who would believe, and I guess there is a like a belief that who was the girl that did all the environmentalism? Roni, stop it, roni. Oh my gosh Cats me, what was the-? Jane Goodall. No at recent times, greta.
Speaker 1:Oh, Greta Thunberg.
Speaker 2:They don't. Some people believe that she Is a lizard, no, that she is being told what to say by like a man, essentially Because they can't fathom that like a young woman is educated or smart enough to like do the things she's doing. Wait, that is, isn't that infuriating? Yes, yeah, it's misogyny, but anyway. So that's crazy, it's grim. Yeah, it is grim. That's so frustrating, yeah.
Speaker 2:But they also were saying too you don't have to agree with Greta Thunberg to like be like, wow, she's really brilliant, yeah, and like she's brave, yes, yeah, all of these like things can exist without you being like but I which, yeah, it's very frustrating. So, anyway, sweet God. So, anyway, took me down a dark little corner of the internet. Well, I have exciting ones for you. Okay, I'm very turn this around.
Speaker 1:Turning the tables, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, how the turntables. Have you ever heard the conspiracy that Finland doesn't exist? No, apparently, people think that Finland is a made-up country that was created by Russia and Japan in the Cold War. Okay, I'm watching the Cold War. Okay, I'm watching the Cold War documentary right now. Did they talk about?
Speaker 2:Finland Not yet Apparently it started on Reddit. Okay, in like 2016-ish. Okay, somebody like joked that Finland was a cover-up, for which I'm like cover-up for what? Yeah, excuse me, I didn't look that much into this one because this isn't the one I like actually did.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, this is interesting.
Speaker 2:We had a Finnish exchange student. I know I'm like no, I literally know, someone that was Finnish. Okay, so it says the idea is that Russia let Japan fish. This is in quotations. Fish in the Baltic Sea Okay, without anyone knowing? Okay, fish in the baltic sea okay without anyone knowing okay, the landmass finland is just ocean and sushi companies supposedly transport fish across russia who believes it's labeled as nokia products.
Speaker 2:People live in finland. I know it's on the map. Well, it says. Supporters of this theory point out suspicious things. Suspicious Suspicious in quotations, okay Like why Finland is so sparsely populated or why.
Speaker 1:Because it's cold as hell.
Speaker 2:It's consistently ranked the happiest country. People are suspicious of that. Yeah, they're like well, it's ranked all the time that it's the happiest country. Why don't people believe that? I don't know. I don't know why that is the question.
Speaker 1:It's because they have free health care and not a million neighbors.
Speaker 2:I know I mean the weather's shite the weather is, but it's beautiful. They have the Northern Lights, I know this is bizarre.
Speaker 1:I know People are so weird.
Speaker 2:I'm like the whole thing is like people literally live there. Yeah, Like live there. Yeah, People know people that live there. Yes, there is a whole language called. Finnish that people speak. Yes, what? You can literally go online and research Finland. Yeah, what is happening? Who has time to make up a whole island? You should make up a conspiracy. It's apparently not that hard. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it is. I know you just come up with something and then.
Speaker 1:I mean, hey, maybe our monkey.
Speaker 2:One will take off which one. That monkeys have herpes? No, that they like escaped to build an underground bunker. Yes, let's start that one. Okay. Let's go on Reddit, okay.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, let's do it.
Speaker 2:People would be. We'd be like, remember the monkeys that were gone for four months? Yeah, what if? What if they built an underground bunker? I have sea potential for this what's your favorite? Like Reddit situation. Do you ever?
Speaker 1:get on Reddit.
Speaker 2:I only get on Reddit when I'm like, like I went on about my trip coming up to be like, is an hour enough time to make a flight layover in the Turkish airport. I got really big and this is a side quest, but I got really big into this reddit um community about um, like the bath bomb jewelry people and like it's called, like bomb party. Yes, and you like fizz, a little bath bomb, not in a bath, in a plastic cup of water on live you weren't using them.
Speaker 2:No, it's not like for the bath, it's like just to get the piece of jewelry out of the middle. But they were. There was like a hierarchy there, it was like a whole society. There was like the super popular people that made all the money. And I got into this because my friend got to go on the mexico trip with her friend who was super high up in the bomb party world, and so I went and spent the night with her and we like read through all the threads I mean there's hundreds of threads about these people. It's like their own reality show and my friend was like, yeah, I've met them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was at the thing. Yeah, she was there, like she knew all the people, I mean, and she was like this is insane. Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:It was amazing.
Speaker 2:That's one of my favorite Reddits. Okay, I don't spend a ton of time on Reddit. I also went down the eight passenger snark Reddit page where it was like talking all about what's her name? Jodi Frankie. Oh, and I was doing that way before the documentaries came out. I was like on the, it's like on the celebrity blinds kind of it was like hey, we think she's abusive Okay. And like here's why Dang it was crazy.
Speaker 2:Anyways, moving on, okay, so you ready for my real conspiracy? Yes, katy Perry is actually JonBenét Ramsey. What, wait, wait, wait. Oh my gosh, tell me everything. It's seriously so stupid. I thought it was going to be like super in-depth and amazing and like have great backup, but it doesn't. No, basically JonBenet Ramsey, who, if you didn't know, is the pageant star that died in 1996. Her case was super highly publicized. I know you know this, but just in case people that are listening aren't, they are saying she didn't actually die. She grew up and became a pop star, katy Perry. Why, conspiracists say, katy Perry's facial features look like an aged-up version of John Deme? Didn't Katy Perry grow up in like other countries? She was a missionary kid, wasn't?
Speaker 1:she.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes, like none of it tracks Okay. And one of the biggest things that their whole conspiracy is riding on is the fact that they have the same eyebrow shape. What I'm like. My eyebrows have been like a million different, katy. Perry's eyebrows have been 14 different shapes. Does their birthdays even line up?
Speaker 1:No, and JonBenet was born in 1990.
Speaker 2:Katy Perry was born in 1984. Okay, what this is so stupid, I know, and they think like her lyrics are like hinting to the fact that she's actually JonBenet Caroline. We can make up conspiracies so easily.
Speaker 1:I know, but do you want to know?
Speaker 2:How do you get it out into the world? I think Reddit or YouTube or TikTok. I mean, we have so many outlets.
Speaker 1:So many outlets.
Speaker 2:We hit all three and then we're guaranteed to blow up. Okay, but this started on YouTube, okay, in 2014. And the most famous video was by a creator named Dave Johnson, who like a side-by-side facial comparison of the two Mm-hmm which, like so many people, look alike.
Speaker 2:Like yes, I don't, they're not born in the same year. That's like the most basic I know Well and they say that the parents look alike, but like they literally had very, very, very like. John Benet's family was like high society. They were like in like a very relevant, like you know what I? Mean yes, and like they still are alive and looking for. I know you can just put the two parents right next to each other, like it genuinely makes no sense. But they say that she confesses it in her music. Okay, like what?
Speaker 1:lyrics Like the song Wide Awake. I'm wide awake which we did a dance to. Oh my gosh, I love that song, a really embarrassing dance.
Speaker 2:I miss Katy Perry Like the old her right. Yeah, yeah, she's not herself. She's not herself, she's not right. She was so good. Was she married to again Orlando Bloom, I think they're calling it quits. I was going to say do you think he's like? This girl is icking me out, they're kids together, I think so. I mean she's icking the world out right now. It's not good.
Speaker 1:But not.
Speaker 2:Madison from Love is Blind. The concert tour is bad, babe. What did you say when I told you that they were getting divorced? Caroline said that orlando's like response was like the tour is bad. We gotta call this off yeah, um, but I miss her. When I was in college, her dark horse song was like real big.
Speaker 1:I know I liked california girls.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was so good, she just she. You know, fame kept her in a little boat. She's a little out of touch. They say this says katie once wrote in her memoir katie perry colon, part of me that she didn't have a childhood because she was raised by super strictly evangelical parents. And conspiracy theorists have twisted this as she's slipping up and admitting that she lived a different childhood as john benet I'm like wait guys, what that is so stupid, I know.
Speaker 2:And like john benet, like her mom passed of cancer, Like they have been very, very publicly like in the public eye, I know, or whatever In the public eye. I just I don't understand, I don't either. Okay, well, you're talking about Madison seeing Katy Perry?
Speaker 1:though yes.
Speaker 2:Madison from Love on the Spectrum. Did I say Love is Blind.
Speaker 1:I don't remember, I always say the wrong thing it was magical.
Speaker 2:Did you see the part where she like, she was like I did, I did the dance, I did the california girls dance and I did this move and she like laid down on the floor and kicked her legs and like showed katie perry the move she did, but she was like fully on the floor. Life through through Madison's eyes is so magical.
Speaker 1:I love her.
Speaker 2:Like Katy Perry's magical, if Madison says so, I know, I know, I know. Okay, I have one which we could do a whole episode on how much we love Love on the Spectrum which I feel like everyone else does too. It's so good, it's so good. I love it, sweet Connor.
Speaker 1:And Georgie.
Speaker 2:Connor was really the breakout star this season. Connor and Georgie he's got his sister's like his manager now, or like His family they're doing good Is so sweet too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tanner too.
Speaker 2:His sister's like really good at managing his TikToks and stuff. Yeah, yeah he's cute.
Speaker 2:Georgie was a dreamboat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's cute. Georgie was a dream boat, loved her, love her so much. An angel, angel. I know. I hope they stay together. I do too. I know you never see her on his tiktok, that's true. Maybe she's not into it. Yeah, I don't know, um, okay, so one more that I wanted to talk through, just because I find it so interesting, is the Denver airport. Okay, do you know anything about it? Because I didn't. I know about the blue horse. What do they call him? Again, like Satan, something Bluecifer, bluecifer? Yeah, and I know about, like, there's some weird like um, there's like Freemason stuff everywhere.
Speaker 1:That's all I know. I don't know much.
Speaker 2:Which Freemasons? I know nothing. I have always wondered. It's suspicious, it's sketchy, something's up. The Tricycles, the Tricycles Are those.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Those are the Shiners or whatever? Yeah, but that's them. Is it Shriners? Shriners, aren't they Freemasons? I think that I know, I don't know it's also secretive.
Speaker 1:How are we supposed to do any research? The little hats and the little cars, do you?
Speaker 2:think that anyone has come out and said like, okay, here's the deal, here's the deal. I don't know, because people compare it to like sorority, fraternity infection. Yeah, yeah when you're sworn to secrecy, but I'm like, I know these frat boys Speaking of which. What? Sorry, I just got so sidetracked. Natalie, who does our hair? Yes, who also listens to our podcast? Yes, hi, natalie.
Speaker 1:Hi Natalie, she suggested this frat boy book that we should read and talk about on the podcast I would love to.
Speaker 2:I find Greek life so interesting. It's like a whole memoir. Not memoir, biography, I don't know, but it's about like the their experiences. Yes, I'm scared, I think it's sad. I don't know if I want to watch, read it. I'll read it and tell you.
Speaker 2:I need a train wreck documentary episode on that. I know, if I want to watch or read it, I'll read it and tell you Wait, I need a train wreck documentary episode on that. I know, I know I'm scared. I like find that fraternity culture so interesting but also so icky. I'm scared of it, the deep darkness of it. But what I was going to say about the Freemasons is I think it is true that it's like on the base level it's like you're doing lots of community service, and then there's like tiers and you get like deeper and deeper and deeper. And I think up high it's like government, weird secret stuff, like I think it's like historically tied to like world governments. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, but that's all I know, so why?
Speaker 2:is it in the Denver airport? I have. No, I looked up some stuff. Okay, they think it's the Illuminati headquarters. Okay, it was built as a New World bunker meant to survive the apocalypse. I did know that. Was that like during the Cold War? No, I don't think so. It was built. It opened in 1995. Oh, weird, okay, and it was behind schedule and $2 billion over budget. $2 billion, it's bigger than Manhattan. What? 53 square miles. The airport is bigger than Manhattan.
Speaker 2:This says its runways are laid out in a shape that, if you squint really hard, it resembles a swastika. Are laid out in a shape that, if you squint really hard, it resembles a swastika anyways, okay, so, so, supposedly, world elites will gather there while the rest of the population perishes. The airport's dedication stone includes the masonic symbol and references a new world airport commission, which doesn't exist. This is exhibit a for conspiracists. It also is filled with like creepy painted murals that show soldiers and gas masks destroying cities, children of all races uniting under a rainbow after chaos, animals in glass cases giving like noah's ark vibes. What, what the hell? Who? Who approved this? I don't know. It says it was intended as commentary on peace, overcoming war and environmental destruction.
Speaker 1:Why an?
Speaker 2:airport, I don't know, and like Lucifer, is a little bit weird, weird and bad art.
Speaker 1:Do you know about how it?
Speaker 2:killed someone. No, the artist was creating it and a piece of it fell off on him and it killed him. The sculptor is Luis Jimenez. Died during construction because the statue fell on him. 32 foot tall, bright blue horse, glowing red eyes this is a conspiracy that I say. I believe all of the weird stuff is real. Yeah, yeah, because it's weird as hell, what about the underground tunnels? Yeah, of course, miles of tunnels beneath the airport.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Used for baggage systems but is partially abandoned. Conspiracies say they're secret bunkers for the elite or prisons for the masses. This chat GBT result, I think, is pulling from a lot of weird places. I know, but I'm into it, but I don't know. I think it's weird, like it's overtly weird to the public. I think that's what it is Like. If a conspiracy is like overtly, at face value, a little off, yes, it's worth sniffing around. You know what? I mean Wait it says the airport features gargoyle statues in suitcases.
Speaker 1:In suitcases.
Speaker 2:Supposedly to ward off evil spirits. I don't like it, I know Should we go there Very strange art installations yeah, we should. And murals that show Deathfire, soldiers, masonic symbols. It says the over budget is like a mystery and they think it was like because there's like secret bunkers underneath and that's why it was so over budget, but also like it's bigger than Manhattan. Of course it's over, it's huge. I had no idea that was that big. That's, that is on. That's unbelievable, like, actually unbelievable. That is bigger than Manhattan.
Speaker 2:You're telling me I have to take. I mean Unbelievable, that is bigger than Manhattan. I know You're telling me I have to take. I mean I guess you have to take a subway to like through all airports. But, bigger than Manhattan. Yeah, but not hours Like subway, like you could spend hours on the subway in Manhattan, I know what, and it could take you hours to walk from north to south Okay if anyone's listening and knows about this.
Speaker 2:We need to have you on, because I have questions, I know. I know I do too, and I kind of want to go just to like peek for myself, because one time you know what got me interested in this I randomly came across a video of someone like sneaking around the underground and cops coming and like getting him Okay, I need to do some more, like digging, okay, but it's creepy right Like this is a conspiracy that I can kind of get behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's weird, which, you know, I've always been spooked by the Illuminati, I know I, which, you know, I've always been spooked by the Illuminati, I know I don't, you know, I do think the Illuminati is real. Whether or not this is like the headquarters could be, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Also like, but do you really?
Speaker 2:think. I do think it's weird stuff happening there. Do you really think that the world elite wants to spend the ends of their eternity in Denver in an airport Like there's no?
Speaker 1:freaking way. That's the most unbelievable part about it.
Speaker 2:Like they want to be in the Bahamas, yeah, which I guess they don't want to be in, a tiny island. But why Denver? I don't know that they're actually thinking that far ahead. I think it's just like a power move and maybe some ceremonial weird shit happening underground. I know I need to know more.
Speaker 2:I've always been spooked by the Illuminati, ever since I was in the ninth grade. In math class, this boy told me that he was in the Illuminati and I was very gullible and I, like, asked him lots of questions and he told me he had to spend the night in a coffin to get in and he was trying to become a rapper. Who was this? I don't remember his name and he never became a rapper Because I think if he was, he'd be famous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and one time Mare and I were sleeping in the same bed. I was just telling this story and something scratched at my window and I was like, oh my gosh, what was that? And she was like it's probably Rihanna and I don't know why, but it spooked me so bad I made her switch spots with me to be closer to the window. We were adults. This was like, I think, my freshman year of college. I was seriously spooked, just like picturing an Illuminati celebrity outside my bedroom window. Have you been seeing those clips of Beyonce's kids like doing Illuminati symbols, like on stage and then like her youngest? There's like one flip where the youngest daughter like is doing like a triangle symbol in the middle, like the older daughter's like trying to like.
Speaker 2:I have not kept up with this I like don't even know who's in it, or oh, I don't either, but I think they are. Yeah, I don't know, I have no idea. Should we wrap this up? We probably should. I mean because, guess what, we could sit here and talk for 45 more minutes we could Well.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that Mare is going to be in Italy. Like we said, yes, so oh, for two weeks. Yeah, are we going to take a break For two weeks. Maybe I'll see if I can get Jay on the podcast. That'd be fun. I don't know what we should talk about. I approve you getting a guest to replace me. Well then, stay tuned for what's to come. By the time we record again together, you'll be back from your trip and we'll debrief. How do you say goodbye in Italian? Ciao, ciao, baby. See you next Tuesday.
Speaker 1:See you next Tuesday.