Sister Sh*t
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Sister Sh*t
Irish Wish + Quiet On Set
Ever felt like you needed to hit the brakes and just recharge? That's exactly where we find ourselves as we wrap up this season's final episode, and we're spilling the beans on why a breather is essential, even for us podcasters. We're also peeling back the curtain on Lindsay Lohan's return in "Irish Wish," a film that's got us riding waves of nostalgia and debating its merits. While we're at it, we're giving a shout-out to another "Mean Girls" alum's strides on stage—in the spotlight, yet again, is the enduring charm of the Plastics.
Switching gears, we're wading through the sea of media tropes, from the lovable klutz to the flawless heroine. We chew over why characters with layers are the real MVPs, all against the backdrop of Ireland's enchanting spirit—that's a conversation with more twists than a Celtic knot. And because we're all about stirring the pot, we invite you to throw in your two cents. Do these tropes deserve a spot in today's storytelling, or is it time we script a new narrative?
But it's not all fun and games—there's a sobering flip side to the entertainment industry. "Quiet on Set" pulls back the Hollywood curtain to reveal a culture of abuse that's impossible to ignore. We hash out the harsh realities child stars like Drake Bell faced and the staggering support abusers have garnered. Yet, there's a glimmer of hope amidst the darkness, with figures like Jennette McCurdy leading the charge towards reform and a safer future for child actors. Tune in as we grapple with the complexities of fame and the urgent need for change in Tinseltown.
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Speaker 3:Happy wednesday you guys again we're running out of steam we're running out of steam well, it's been busy, so then, our usual like recording night. She's got like a reoccurring event and so and so we've been. We've been missing the mark quite a bit, so we're gonna wrap this season up shortly and come back to you guys when we are less busy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we gotta gather our thoughts. Take a little break. We haven't decided.
Speaker 3:We need you guys to miss us, because I'm sure y'all are sick of us at this point.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 3:But we've got things to chat about tonight.
Speaker 2:We sure do. Caroline did her homework. I finally did my homework. Go ahead what I was going to say say it's honestly worked out we're doing great. What's going?
Speaker 3:to say it worked out well that you were like crap, I can't record tonight because I hadn't watched it yet, I'd only watched the first half. And I was like oh, this actually works because I need to finish my homework which really tracks for how I was as a student.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you don't remember, your assignment two weeks ago was to watch the new Lindsay Lohan feature film on Netflix titled the Irish wish the Irish wish.
Speaker 3:I think it's just Irish wish, irish wish.
Speaker 2:Irish Wish.
Speaker 3:Which we're a little late on St Paddy's Day, but we're celebrating all month long.
Speaker 2:But that movie had enough spirit to keep it going. Let's get into it right off the bat.
Speaker 1:On a scale of 1 to 10,. How much did you?
Speaker 2:like it.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's the right question to ask me because I didn't like maybe it's because I watched it alone, but I didn't like love it. I thought it was like fine. It like scratched it. Like it didn't scratch an itch, but it scratched like Uh, Like a tiny little, Like I don't know. It was like a not super satisfying.
Speaker 2:It's the movie nobody asked for, but we all Said, ok, I'll watch it.
Speaker 3:But all in all, I'm really proud of her. I think she did an amazing job. She looked incredible.
Speaker 2:She. I liked it more than her Christmas movie you did.
Speaker 3:I liked the Christmas one more, oh really.
Speaker 1:I really enjoyed Irish wish Um.
Speaker 2:Okay, how come?
Speaker 3:I think I, I think it honestly. I think it comes down to I watched it alone and I needed someone for commentary, yeah, and so I think I just like I, I watched falling in love with you and so we like talked about it. I mean because we can't keep our mouth shut in a movie. So we talked to the whole thing and then I think I just needed some. It was like a little too corny to watch by myself yeah if that makes sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, it totally does I. I watched it myself and I didn't hate it. Hate it. I don't know, maybe I was just feeling in like a rom-commy hallmarky mood, but um, yes, I'm so proud of lindsey lohan. We are all here for her.
Speaker 3:We are like I mean, she has come back well she's just.
Speaker 2:She was so talented at a young age. Fame got the best of her, as it does yes most child stars. She's like just doing I don't know. I just feel like she looks good. She's like, really, I feel like she's like I I would personally love to see her do more than hallmark, but I but I feel like, even in spite of that, I feel like she's not. She's like doing the most with what she has now. And even if this was, what she did for the rest of her life.
Speaker 2:I'd be like amazing, you like that?
Speaker 3:good for you. She's doing better than gretchen wieners that's true. I mean, I don't know gretchen in that hallmark money for years that's true, that, but I just I just mean like I the movies that lindsey has been in have been way more like popular than I think it's just because of the name, I think it's just be yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it's because we're like collectively but I think that's what I mean excited she's back. And Gretchen Wiener what is her real name, I don't know, but she never went away and Lindsay, like, went away in a hard way and now she's back and everyone's so excited. I thought she looked I know not. Her styling in the movie was so good. I thought she looked adorable in every outfit she did her hair looked so good.
Speaker 2:It like she really did. Her makeup was great, like I just feel like they did her so well with this movie yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3:I I mean really when, when. What is the last movie she was in? Was it I mean before falling in love? Was it mean girls?
Speaker 2:I think there might have been another one or two. Should I google? Should I live?
Speaker 3:google it because, because I was trying to think of it and I should have Googled it before this, but, once again, didn't do my homework, but I was like man Mean Girls.
Speaker 1:Weirdly enough, my Google isn't working.
Speaker 3:Mean. Girls was such a hit. I know have you seen the new Mean Girls yet.
Speaker 2:No, I still haven't seen it. Have you, I haven't either, but I've heard really good things. Okay, I want to see it, so bad. So I, who was the older lady who was Lindsay Lohan's mom in this movie? I feel like I should know who she is. She had a very familiar face and I feel like they got her for her name, her name to be in that movie. But I was like, oh, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3:I don't know, but okay, lindsey's been freaky friday okay, but she's been in so many movies that like we just didn't even pay attention georgia rule.
Speaker 2:These aren't in order wait, who no?
Speaker 3:like there's been literally so many movies that I've never even heard of, like Labor Pains. Oh, machete, I got a clue 2010.
Speaker 2:Oh, Labor Pains. Yeah, no idea.
Speaker 3:Scary Movie 5 in 2013.
Speaker 2:Life Size.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh. Life Size was so good Life.
Speaker 2:Size. She's in poor things, that movie okay, yeah, she's been in a lot who is she in the holiday?
Speaker 1:the holiday I don't think she's in the holiday?
Speaker 2:no idea, okay, well, before we go into this rabbit hole somebody tell us speaking of? I just got an ad. I listened to the smart list podcast and they've been advertising this podcast called wiki hole, which I think they like I haven't listened to it, but they it sounds like on the podcast they literally just wikipedia things and, like you know how, anytime you get on Wikipedia you just like click further and further in.
Speaker 2:There's like a podcast where you like wiki link with the hosts, like you're like on the rabbit hole with them and I thought I thought that was a funny, I love this for a also like what is your most Wikipedia thing?
Speaker 3:Because mine is 100 percent like Bd list celebrities. Yeah, I mean, I like I'll be watching something and be like what are they doing now?
Speaker 2:today I went on a wiki hole about zionists and the state of israel. There's a little history lesson today, so yeah, I don't know it kind of mine kind of is all over the place, but I okay, what were we talking about?
Speaker 3:I just always think about teachers being like, Wikipedia is not a source.
Speaker 2:I know jokes on them.
Speaker 3:Also.
Speaker 2:If only they knew we'd be using it for everything that and you're not gonna be able to carry a calculator around in your pocket like joke yeah, the future was beyond what they could imagine.
Speaker 2:Um, so okay, we talked about. Was there any notes? I mean, I don't know, I don't have any major notes, oh, other than irish wish. I feel like she was supposed to be like klutzy in the movie and like the bike scene, the but that's me on a bike, if we're being honest. And the part where she gets her, like in the very beginning she gets her scarf ripped off by a car door. She like gets out of the car and her scarf is stuck in the car door?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she like spins around.
Speaker 2:And I had, like, I was like triggered about learning about isadora duncan, the mother of modern dance died in a freak accident because she was in a convertible with a scarf on and the, and the scarf got stuck in the wheat in the wheel of the car and it strangled her to death. So for you're kidding, I'm not kidding, isn't that wild?
Speaker 2:so anyway, I I thought you were supposed to wear cute little scarves and convertibles so did she make sure they're short, short, little handkerchief scarf only but yeah, so anyway the opening of the movie that we almost have a little isadora duncan moment with lindsey, but she does a little spin and but anyway, from then on it was like art, is this part of your personality?
Speaker 3:I'm over that trope honestly, like when she knocked the vase. I was like here we go here we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why is that a personality trait?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'm over it. I'm so over it. I think that's what it was for me.
Speaker 2:I was like surprised we were doing like I was. I was like, oh, this is. It's been a minute since we've seen this yes, it feels very like early 2000s maybe like the cute, quirky, clumsy girl.
Speaker 3:Yeah I'm over it. Like, aren't we all clumsy?
Speaker 2:I'm also aren't we all just, yes, dropping things?
Speaker 3:I was gonna say jay has this like reoccurring thing with, with a group, like some of our friends, that like every time we're together jay breaks something uh-huh but like I wouldn't say that, that's like oh, you know, jay, he's such a clut.
Speaker 2:No, you know he's such a clut?
Speaker 3:No, you know he's such a clut. I don't know. It just is weird. I don't know anyone that that's their personality trait.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, another trope. This is random, but another trope Is that the right word, trope?
Speaker 2:I was about to Google it, but I think so I think it's more trope. I think has more to do with like a storyline, not necessarily a personality okay.
Speaker 3:well, this like personality of a main character that I'm over, which I was just talking to someone that I'm reading the same book series as them, but the like personality where the main character is a female and they can like do no wrong and like they just like give to the needy.
Speaker 2:Oh, and they like are just so.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Like the like ultimate protagonist, Like.
Speaker 3:Yes and like, yeah, like, if they do something wrong, it ultimately ends up working out and it was like good.
Speaker 2:They were actually helping someone in the end.
Speaker 3:They yes, yes, or like everyone's mad at them because they, like, went out on a limb to help someone. It's like when they do something wrong, it's like actually a good thing.
Speaker 2:Have you seen that in something recently?
Speaker 3:Yeah, the books that I'm reading, I kind of feel that way about the main character Interesting.
Speaker 2:I feel like I haven't seen that in a while.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I just feel like she can do no wrong and it just doesn't feel super dynamic to me. Yeah, it's not it feels a little bit like she's really flat.
Speaker 2:And she's the main character.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I didn't really realize I felt that way until one of my friends was like, oh yeah, she's not my favorite character in the book and I was like, oh, oh, great, okay, she doesn't have to be my favorite, because I feel like the book's trying to force her to be my favorite, interesting.
Speaker 2:Do you want to say what book it is so other people can relate or not?
Speaker 3:I don't want people to get mad, but farah and akatar everyone like I think I think everyone loves her and I like her, like I've liked her throughout the whole series, but I like told one of my friends I'm like she's kind of annoying me and they're like, oh yeah, like I think like everyone's annoyed by her and I was like I don't think so interesting but I thought it was. Yeah, I thought that was interesting because I think she's supposed to be like the girl everyone loves yeah, I.
Speaker 2:That annoys me too, just because it's not realistic, but you know which maybe it'll change.
Speaker 3:Either be perfect or clumsy. Pick one, yeah, perfect, clumsy.
Speaker 2:Those are your two options or like terrible, terrible, or dumb, or yeah, girls man that's about it, though so many I don't think we've missed any clumsy, perfect dumb, or clumsy or slutty.
Speaker 3:That's the mean girls cast, I guess yeah, yeah, it really is, and I was thinking like in the sex lives of college girls show, which I freaking love that show it's kind of similar. It's kind of similar. Maybe it's just yeah like smart or we like.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's we just need to like work on forming that as a friend group.
Speaker 3:Maybe there's something there yeah, maybe, maybe that's so funny man, okay, but I, I know we've said that we were, which I don't know. Do you have any more notes on irish?
Speaker 2:no, I'm done. It was great, loved it. Happy for her.
Speaker 3:Yay, ireland yeah, if if any, if anyone has notes, send them and we will share, because last note.
Speaker 2:My last note. I will finish with this I okay, girl who grants the wish, who was like a saint, I guess. Oh, uh-huh, yeah, was like the cot, like she was like in this weird, like 60s scarf talk there's lots of scarves in this movie and she had the weirdest. Like she was the equivalent of the like surprise santa claus and all the hallmark movies, like the mysterious character but she just was like it was weird, it was over it was like forms of her winking, like like non-human forms of her winking and then like her just showing up outside.
Speaker 2:Of windows and her like scampering off like a little like like little squirrel it was. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else you're going to do with that character, but it was just like this. I was like this feels so like bizarre, but that was it, yeah.
Speaker 3:It felt bizarre, but not far off, it felt like okay, how can we replicate a Christmas movie?
Speaker 2:but make it.
Speaker 3:St Patrick's day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 3:I am pretty much pretty much okay, but that's it and we're about to take a dark turn because we did not warn y'all about this. But we've got to discuss so we've got to, and it's like on topic with child actors and actresses. I know y'all know where we're going with this, but quiet on set quiet on set oh my gosh if you haven't well, not Netflix, but they've been popping out like crazy documentaries lately Like the program happened like three weeks ago.
Speaker 3:Irish Wish the program messed me up, I know, and then came Quiet on Set.
Speaker 2:If you don't know what Quiet on Set is, it is a three episode documentary, for maybe it's a mini series about um the nickelodeon in the 1990s and through mid 2000s, or no, through teens late, I mean teens, yeah, because um, and things didn't come out until late teens the work culture under Schneider, who was the main showrunner at that time. I mean, I won't give a whole debrief. I feel like most people know what it is. But the big thing about this documentary is people had known that there was sexual abuse on set.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until this documentary that the person who was abused came forward and gives a like personal testimony for the very public, I mean, I guess for the first time, because he was a minor when it happened, so he was like a John Doe in the case, and so this was like his first public, like account of his experience.
Speaker 3:And it was Drake Bell, which I'm sure you saw. Yeah, drake Bell, it was so speaking of like no one knowing that it was him the part where he was talking about in the courtroom when he showed up for court, because no one knew it was him and he, like, didn't want anyone to know it was him. Obviously it. The only people he had on his side supporting him in the courtroom were his mom and his brother and then on um brian peck's side, it was like which was his vocal coach his vocal and acting coach um and and was many, many, many young Hollywood stars vocal and acting coach, including Leo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which.
Speaker 3:I was like ooh, this is not, this is giving me bad vibes.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 3:But his entire side was like full to the brim with like well-known celebrities and like people that Drake knew, and they were on the pedophile side.
Speaker 2:I just I can't imagine how that must have felt and he got a really, really low uh sentence because he had so many letters of like character support. What do you call? Is that what?
Speaker 1:you call them character?
Speaker 2:yeah, I heard yeah, another official term is, but basically people writing and being like this guy's a a great guy, even if he did do wrong it was because of like, basically a lot of people did like victim shamed it was or, sorry, victim blamed.
Speaker 3:But which? That coming out was wild too, like all. Like what's his name? Oh, the James Mard Mars.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I oh, the james marred mars. Yeah, I know that's one of the people and I was like oh, my gosh, and I don't think he's come out and said anything yet.
Speaker 2:I know that I've seen if people are gonna say things. One person has said like if I had known what I know now, I would have not written the letter remember that they must have been asked to comment the documentary but yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:I think it was like a really interesting. It was sad overall, extremely sad, but interesting to watch because we like grew up with all of these actors and I think as a child in the 90s so many of the people in the documentary talked about how like being on Nickelodeon was like their absolute dream and how a child actor like that's what you're. And I remember, like as a kid, just thinking that that was just like the ultimate coolest thing you could do, and so we idolized it, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it was just really. It was like really heartbreaking and interesting and like I don't know you.
Speaker 3:just I feel like we have such a parasocial, like we were so innocent to know that it wasn't okay, Like the way that they treated kids on set, like in scenes. They put kids in really, really uncomfortable positions and the way that it was shown to us as kids and we didn't even know, I don't know that felt really bizarre to me of like, oh my gosh, I was watching these things without even knowing and meanwhile there's adults on set cracking up at these kids. I don't know.
Speaker 2:That felt really, really to me. They brought it up that on Nickelodeon you almost never saw adults on screen or in cartoons or anything. Nickelodeon was for kids and so I think it's interesting because I wonder, as a child, if an adult had been in the frame when, like these, like for I'm thinking of that show that all these kids talked about they were like do the double dare, not double dare, double dare was like the one with the no, the one that mimicked um fear factor.
Speaker 3:It was like a fear factor show for kids I never watched.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I show for kids. I never watched, I didn't even know it existed. Honestly, I I watched it and I didn't like it. I remember like because I hated fear factor.
Speaker 2:It made me feel like, stressed okay, interesting because I've never watched it and all the kids talk about how, like they were input in situations that actually made them feel very unsafe and afraid, and how they would vocalize like I'm uncomfortable with this on on screen and nothing would happen. And so I was. I was thinking like I wonder if there had been like adult figures in these situations, if it would make us feel more weird about it. But because it was all kids, it felt somewhat safe. I don't know, but it's interesting to hear that you say that it actually did make you feel anxious watching it. Oh, that makes me even more sad actually.
Speaker 3:Because I mean they're like putting kids in bathtubs with worms and the kids are freaking out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I remember feeling like very stressed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting, but I mean I, was probably somewhat pretty young. I can't remember when that show was airing, but um, and I think now I would feel uncomfortable to watch b, and that was one of the things that they brought up is that we watched fear factor but those that's adults and these were minors and like it's fear factor is totally different when it's minors because, like these kids aren't necessarily like signing up for these things and even if they are they don't have, like the right and they're not developed enough and not their brain isn't developed enough to know how to like process through these.
Speaker 2:I don't know like stressful situations right, yeah, yeah so um, yeah, I don't know before this I had I had listened to. If y'all haven't listened, if you're into this kind of stuff and you don't know about allison stoner's podcast, um, it's gosh, what is it called? I gotta look it up now.
Speaker 2:But she was a Disney Channel little queen and she talked she does a podcast about the setting, like how you, what's it like, to what, what it's like to work as a child in Hollywood and how Hollywood is very much for adults, but then there's kids put into it but there's no measures taken to like protect or enrich children. They're basically just like showing up to an adult workplace and so then, as you can imagine, all of these things ensue because they're in a place that's not for them and she's in it Anyway for them. Um, yeah, and she's and it's anyway. So the podcast talks about her experience psychologically on the whole, like she references a ton of studies about child stardom and what it does to like the developing mind, and then at the end she um explains her kind of call to action for the industry. She's written, she's like written these. I guess they're like lesser, like lessons that any set that has a child can apply to get this like resource. That would that.
Speaker 3:It's like a training program, so you would like put your whole crew through this very sort of like when you work at a church, you have have to take the safe sanctuary class.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, but it's for, like the film TV industry, around children. And so yeah, and it doesn't have to do just with, like, sexual crimes, but like Well, yeah, because there's so many other things that like. It's more like preventative. It's like all these, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, I could seriously talk about this forever I mean, I know, I just found the documentary to be so um, and I think mostly, like you said, because we idolize them so much. And now we're seeing all of these child stars coming out saying I would never put my child through this yeah, um and I don't know. I find that so interesting and and I think it was really interesting seeing the parents um the differences in the parents. Like I you know, we've seen drake bell come out on the other side and I mean look at his dad yeah, his
Speaker 2:dad, like I mean genuinely did everything he could protect him, yeah and was very involved in all of these things.
Speaker 3:And then you see, you know, like britney's parents, who britney spears? Whose parents were, like you know, were doing everything they could to like just get money and not protect her, and she like hasn't really come out. On the other side, Right.
Speaker 3:So I just I find it really and and I I also just to touch on that one guy who him, him and his mom like had a falling out because his mom was trying to protect him on set, because it was very obvious that they were doing things that like were microaggressions towards his race. He was a black kid and they were, like she said, she very, very clearly noticed like favoritism and it being based on race and started to kind of make a fuss as a mom or anyone would do. Then he ended up losing his spot and how he like was devastated and was so angry at his mom and I just I found that so hard to think through Because it's just like you know, of course you want to fight for your kid and then of course your kid wants you to fight for them, but like also it could make you lose your career, I don't know it's just so they literally like set you up to where you can't fight for your kid I know well, and I think this had to do.
Speaker 2:I don't know that I feel like probably yes, across the board, but it sounded like this and this, like Nickelodeon in particular, with under this guy in particular, was like yes, really really bad.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, but oh the podcast.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about was called Dear Hollywood and it's pretty short, it's. So if you're interested in this, it's so, so good. But yeah, I know it, just it's. And I've never thought about this either because I'm like gosh, how are we just now, how have we not learned? But I, I mean I think starting in the 90s, that's when, like children's television, that wasn't like PBS or like non-educational children's television, wasn't around until 1990.
Speaker 3:Well, and they say Dan Schneider was a huge part of that movement. He was the first person to come up with adult style television for kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like he started. He saw SNL and thought, let me do this for kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it'll just be interesting to see how, like we had. We've had two decades, three decades of it, and enough. Enough time has passed for us to see what happens to children when things aren't handled well so it'll be interesting to see, like knowing what we know now and with all the coverage we have around children's television and all these things coming out and personal testimonies like the jeanette mccurdy autobiography which is so good if you haven't listened to my mom died.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 2:It's really eye-opening but I, it'll be just interesting to see, like, if there is reform, if child yeah like this, like tumultuous child stardom starts to change like that.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I was honestly wondering if we would see a shortage in child stars, like if they would start like I. I was thinking about this documentary and after I've seen so many stars come out and say I would absolutely never let my kid be a child actor. I don't know, and who knows, if that would ever happen, but I was like I wonder if they will have a harder time finding kids with parents that are willing to put them in this.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but if you think about the, the amount, there's already such so many people auditioning and so little roles yeah, that's true like.
Speaker 3:I just don't know if that would ever be the case yeah, yeah, well, and I think too, if there were to be some sort of reform and I and I think there already has been somewhat of a reform- yeah, just there's more laws around people being actively. I kept thinking the whole time. I am so glad people freaking say stuff now yeah there were women, grown women, working under this asshole, dan Schneider, who were being verbally and sexually harassed.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they were terrified to say anything, because they knew that he was protected and they weren't and that they wouldn't be able to find other work because women weren't represented.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what I mean. Yes, I know that's a whole other topic.
Speaker 2:I mean they were splitting, they were sharing a salary, their salary's a whole other topic. I mean that they were splitting, they were sharing a salary, their salary and then later found out yes, and they knew it, like they took it because they were like this is my dream job. I cannot pass this down. I know this is unfair, but like I have to take it and then later come to find out it was illegal, like they.
Speaker 3:Yeah find out it was illegal, like they. Yeah, well, and then dan threat one. Dan threatened them and was like which? One of you snooped around. Which one of you like asked if this was okay and then he basically edged them out like yeah yeah, after like. After publicly embarrassing them and sexually harassing them in front of rooms of people, he edged them out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so saying that for them and his apology.
Speaker 3:His apology is the slimiest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Where was that at the end, or what? No?
Speaker 3:no, he has, since the documentary he has been interviewed by someone that I'm sure is trying to protect his ego as well okay and it's, it's so slimy it's what's he saying? Yeah, I've learned. He says it was really hard to watch and he's learned so much since then and he's been a different person and and he still since what?
Speaker 2:since tuesday or Tuesday or last Sunday?
Speaker 3:yes, no well, yes oh, just since it all happened, no, he says like since it all happened, like he's grown a lot over the years and he was never kicked out from being on set. He chose after having some issues with one of the like he just I mean, you'll have to just go watch it. I think it's all over TikTok, that's where I saw it, but I I, that's my over TikTok, that's where I saw it, but that's my rabbit hole.
Speaker 3:Instead of Wiki, I like TikTok rabbit hole but it's just slimy and it's really disgusting to think that he has been allowed to. I mean, he's continued his career right.
Speaker 2:I don't know the documentary made it sound like he. I don't think on the documentary made it sound like he's Disney hired him. Oh, Disney hired him. I thought. Wait no no no, you're thinking of the Predator.
Speaker 3:Of Brian, they hired Bryce, yeah, which that's also probably.
Speaker 2:They made it sound like what's-his-name hasn't worked in the industry since he left nick elodian okay, oh it's oh, I was kind of wanting to hear more from the guy that ran double dare, because I loved that show me too.
Speaker 3:Also, what about legends of the hidden temple?
Speaker 2:that show was the shit, they were pre dan schneider, I think. I think, think Double Dare and Legends were like pre him because they were like game shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those were amazing. I loved those.
Speaker 3:Me too, me too. What was the one that was like Binds?
Speaker 2:Guts, I know, I know she. When I think about it, she really was so charismatic and talented.
Speaker 3:It makes me so, so, wildly talented and I know that like Dan didn't have any thing with kids like that we saw on the documentary. It was more like just like work abuse and like really creepy stuff. I mean creepy stuff. He was, I think, very creepy towards Ariana Grande and like Jeanette.
Speaker 2:McCurdy, I mean all, and Amanda Bynes.
Speaker 3:No, that's what I mean, and Amanda, but no one has come out and said like anything Specific. I feel like everyone's just been like I got like major creeps from him and I'd be interested if amanda had anything to say, I know me too I mean, like I said, I could talk. I know we're running low on time. I could talk about this for hours. If anyone wants to talk about it, just tell me.
Speaker 2:Let us know what you know.
Speaker 3:You're off the word bird, yeah let us know what you know, send us anything that you see about it and so that I can do more rabbit holing, yes, and then the program is like a whole other episode I could talk through yeah, maybe we could do that one next.
Speaker 2:We'll just get and get, start getting into our dark documentaries. Um, maybe that's what this should have been about all along, because I've got endless commentary about that.
Speaker 3:We're like no, let's talk about the Cabbage Patch Museum that we've never been to.
Speaker 2:Oh man, All right. Well, we missed you on. Tuesday. Thanks for listening. Leigh Sorry to end on a sad topic. If there's anything you really want to talk about for our last episode, let us know.
Speaker 3:Yes, and then we will. We'll wrap things up and be back soon-ish, whenever we have more things to talk about Okay.
Speaker 1:We'll see you next Tuesdayuesday. See you next tuesday, thank you.